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skies and now let's get to this week's

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early during the first lockdowns a group

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rob morphy co-host of the highly popular

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or if it is a metaphysical one or if it

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is completely

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psychological and you literally have to

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leave the door open to all of it you

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have to have genuine sympathy

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and and it's a phenomenon that demands

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to be studied

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um but but the the thing about it for me

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is what keeps me

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kind of on my toes and my skeptic head

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on is that

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it's incredibly sloppy science the

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the way these abductions take place i

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mean it really seems like

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not far removed with uh say how a

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standard

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human naturalist would put down an elk

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temporarily

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tag them check their reproductive organs

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make sure everything

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all with like uh you know benevolent

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intentions you know it might scar the

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animal a little terrified

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it wakes up it runs back to its heart

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and it's like dude this happened

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and it seems like it's that way for us

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and i'm thinking if these creatures

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really have figured out how to traverse

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the cosmos in seconds

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or time itself or create

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interdimensional portals

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if they if they are not enslaved to

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gravity

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why is it that like we see so many

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stories of like hybrid human

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uh gray alien women actively physically

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seducing men

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i mean that seems to play into a weird

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psychological construct

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that goes much deeper and is not

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scientific in the least so i find it

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fascinating

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on the side where i want to be

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empathetic towards those who are

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suffering the trauma of having endured

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this no matter what it may be

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but objective in the sense that this

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seems a lot more bizarre

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and visceral than a simple scientific

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experiment this is more than just

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things coming here to see what's going

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on scientifically like the way you

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any scientific expedition would there's

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something uh

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nastier for lack of a better job

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uh just from the uh and oh sorry did you

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have anything

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that you wanted to to add in there well

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i mean it's it's a subject that i

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haven't

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researched heavily i mean i'm i'm more

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of a

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uh observer in that kind of stuff and i

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mean i find

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the alien abduction category truly

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frightening

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i mean people you know i go in swamps

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and

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may or may not think that's spooky to do

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but i think the whole alien abduction

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stuff and so

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it's nice in some ways that i can sit

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back and just kind of soak that in

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without having to be immersed in the

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research you know

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but i'm like anybody any of you guys and

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as far as a balanced view of whether

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this is a true phenomenon or whether

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there's something

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else to it but i i find it truly

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fascinating and truly frightening

364
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hey that says a lot if he'd rather be in

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a swamp looking for

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critters then have to mess with alien

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abduction

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that really does something i'd rather be

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there than on a

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craft being uh you know scrutinized if

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if you will

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put it nicely yeah that's been a real

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nice i like that

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uh rob do you happen to have a haunted

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house i don't i mean i'm not familiar

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with your actual home but somebody said

377
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they saw an orb behind you so

378
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you might want to keep an eye out for

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that it could be it could be a really

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poor housekeeping

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which i plead guilty to so it could have

382
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been it could have been floating dust

383
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bunny catching the light

384
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just right or it could be grandma i'm

385
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not gonna i'm not gonna

386
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yeah uh so a question from jeremiah

387
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byron

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uh of bigfoot society what's up jeremiah

389
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uh what do you all make of the mass ufo

390
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sightings recently in april across the

391
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yeah i i i guess i'll hop in my guy

392
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could see us both getting ready um

393
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i mean i probably i probably know just

394
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as much as micah does about these events

395
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uh we're talking i believe it was

396
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detroit michigan cleveland ohio

397
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encinitas california um we had mass ufo

398
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sightings

399
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very similar to the phoenix lights where

400
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we're talking these

401
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orange orbs uh you know just

402
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in a either v formation or a semi-circle

403
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formation

404
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being seen over these major cities um

405
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even

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tom delong the gentleman we all know now

407
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is the ufo guru uh caught video of this

408
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thing

409
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threw it up on instagram and then of

410
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course people went nuts

411
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um now what they are i think that's

412
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still

413
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being um investigated but i know for at

414
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least the encinitas event um the

415
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military did take

416
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uh did take responsibility for that

417
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being flares

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uh just like they did in the phoenix

419
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lights in 1997.

420
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um but as for detroit michigan and

421
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cleveland ohio

422
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i haven't seen any answers for that one

423
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yet but

424
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it almost speaks to the the um the

425
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greater

426
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the bigger picture here of we're all

427
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home now

428
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we're all quarantined we're all you know

429
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we're not doing our daily routines of

430
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going to work and

431
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looking at our phones every second or

432
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driving in our car so a lot more people

433
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are looking up

434
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and i think that has a lot to do with

435
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this as well people are

436
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finally looking up again uh they're

437
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finally

438
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doing things um you know popping their

439
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head out the

440
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window to get some fresh air and they're

441
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seeing ufos so i think we're going to

442
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see a big uptick in mass ufo sightings

443
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:35,040
as this quarantine continues yeah

444
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there's been an uptick actually over the

445
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last several months

446
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the first interesting report i'd gotten

447
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had been i think november of last year

448
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and there'd been a pilot who had written

449
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to me and said that he had seen

450
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something unlike anything he'd observed

451
00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:47,279
in years of you know flying he and his

452
00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:48,880
co-pilot both saw this they said they

453
00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:50,560
looked like satellites

454
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but that they were all in a line moving

455
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in the same direction

456
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and that was a clue because it is true

457
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that the spacex company has been

458
00:16:02,629 --> 00:15:59,680
involved in a

459
00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:02,639
internet service satellite internet

460
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:04,720
service program called starlink

461
00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:06,800
and this does account for a lot maybe

462
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,720
even the majority of ufo sightings i

463
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:10,320
think that have been coming in recently

464
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:11,759
but now with regard to cleveland and

465
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:13,040
detroit

466
00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:14,560
you know i'm more than happy to take a

467
00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:16,720
skeptical position on certain ufo

468
00:16:20,949 --> 00:16:17,839
reports but when i see

469
00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:20,959
lazy skepticism i just get angry and

470
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,320
there had been a report

471
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that tried to explain the detroit and

472
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the cleveland sightings as having been

473
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spacex just spacex i love that you know

474
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it's kind of like me

475
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going to a fruit stand and saying give

476
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me a fruit well what would you like sir

477
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:35,199
would you like a plum or a

478
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a fruit i said you know so let's be a

479
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little more specific all right so

480
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:41,360
it wasn't starlink i think that was in

481
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the videos that we saw from cleveland

482
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and detroit because we see huge masses

483
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of orange globs of light moving through

484
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the sky

485
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that in no way resembles the spacex star

486
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uh

487
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satellite rather constellation so i'm

488
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looking at these videos and i'm saying

489
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well

490
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just because a lot of people are seeing

491
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that doesn't mean everything that

492
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everyone is seeing is that

493
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my own estimate actually if i had to

494
00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:04,480
offer your you know

495
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:06,640
potential solution i went to the

496
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national ufo uh or rather the uh

497
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:11,039
the national ufo reporting center uh and

498
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:12,799
there was actually a report log from

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detroit that gave a very good

500
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description of the lights as they

501
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appeared in some of the videos

502
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they look more to me at least like

503
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chinese lanterns

504
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and this would have actually made sense

505
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around the date of april 4th when some

506
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of the videos had been made because

507
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there were actual

508
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traditional celebrations of the queen

509
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ming festival that were occurring around

510
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that time we're part of that tradition

511
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that cultural tradition it's beautiful

512
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they release a lot of lanterns into the

513
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sky

514
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and so that may be what some people were

515
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seeing but i don't know that that would

516
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account for all the sightings throughout

517
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the last several months

518
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so i always tell people to be cautious

519
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if you think that there's a good

520
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:46,240
explanation like spacex

521
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:47,919
you know that doesn't mean it's going to

522
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:50,000
become the catch-all for every ufo

523
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:51,280
sighting that occurs i don't think that

524
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just to play devil's advocate a little

525
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,799
bit i've received a lot of

526
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submissions over the past month and a

527
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half uh ufo related

528
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and i'd say close to half of them were

529
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probably starlink or

530
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:07,679
describing something that seemed very

531
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similar to starlink at least so

532
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as well as anything else that may be

533
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:18,799
going on yeah no actually i agree

534
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completely with that

535
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:23,039
yeah i think so i think it's the sorry

536
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,000
mike

537
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it's the um starlink is now the new

538
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:28,799
weather balloon like it's a catch-all

539
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:29,760
for everything

540
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:32,080
like if there's a ufo it's got to be

541
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starling so

542
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:34,320
we're probably going to hear a lot more

543
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:36,160
of that and drones drones are the

544
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,280
biggest one

545
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:39,600
um that we deal with on a daily basis so

546
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um yeah but

547
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i i think it's i think it's really cool

548
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:44,000
we haven't seen mass ufo sightings like

549
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:45,600
this in a long time so

550
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if i could say anything to anyone

551
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:48,799
watching um when you're done watching

552
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,440
this

553
00:19:03,190 --> 00:18:51,679
go outside and just look up for a few

554
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,789
the wonderful and terrible paradox of

555
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:06,480
when we live now is that

556
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we finally have the kind of technology

557
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:09,600
we always dreamed of

558
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,919
like when uh kids we watched close

559
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:13,200
encounters were third kind like

560
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:15,520
everybody has a high def camera in their

561
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,559
back pocket

562
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,720
we should be able to get evidence of

563
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:20,000
anything from cryptozoological

564
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:21,760
phenomenon to ufological phenomena to

565
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the drop of a hat

566
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,440
but of course uh along simultaneously

567
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:27,120
the technology but faking these things

568
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:28,000
and technology

569
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:29,840
for people independently to put things

570
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:32,080
in the air has grown exponentially

571
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:34,000
with all of the the you know the tech

572
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,360
that's coming out now so

573
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:37,919
the problem is the easier it should be

574
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,720
because

575
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:40,400
if imagine if we had iphones during the

576
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:41,919
phoenix light saga

577
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,200
that could have changed things that

578
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:44,960
could have been a paradigm shift

579
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:47,360
in terms of either being aware of uh

580
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,559
hidden black ops

581
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:50,480
technology or extraterrestrial life

582
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,080
instead we get some shady video

583
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:54,640
and you know flare drop stories from the

584
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:55,200
government

585
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:57,039
and it becomes just something that

586
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:58,400
haunts us

587
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:01,200
nowadays it happens it's drones galore's

588
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,080
isn't that so

589
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,240
it's it's kind of a tough paradox where

590
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,080
the best time ever to actually

591
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:08,240
get evidence as a people but at the

592
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,679
worst time ever

593
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,919
for for them to be able to present in a

594
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:13,760
way that people will believe it without

595
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,159
debunkers being able to jump all over it

596
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:17,919
and even if they're pulling things out

597
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:20,159
of the reverse side if you will

598
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,830
it's top all right another question

599
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,760
coming in here from alex whitcomb he

600
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,600
would like to know from the panelists

601
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,200
what are your thoughts on alien

602
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:32,880
abduction phenom

603
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,880
and connections to obese

604
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,559
that's interesting um i've been

605
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:40,320
researching uh

606
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:43,120
the avaly abduction from 1974. it was

607
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,880
for a long time considered to be great

608
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,840
britain's

609
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:47,200
first you know at least on the book

610
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,640
subduction it was a family they were

611
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,080
heading home they drove into this like

612
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,679
thick cloud of

613
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,400
like a wall of green fog and they ended

614
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:56,000
up on the ship there's lots of cool

615
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,480
aliens

616
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,720
lots of cool i mean in the pre-gray days

617
00:21:01,350 --> 00:21:00,559
when everything was like an esoteric

618
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:01,360
other

619
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:02,799
outer limits episode where everything

620
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,679
was just seven arms and 12 foot tall

621
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,039
green things with one eye

622
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,440
all the stuff i love but that i digress

623
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:11,760
um they saw themselves

624
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:14,080
sitting in the car that they had been in

625
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:14,960
as they were

626
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:19,440
something interesting to the thought

627
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:21,919
that these might not be corporeal

628
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,919
phenomenon if they are happening and

629
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,200
they have access to

630
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:27,200
technology not just a couple hundred

631
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,880
years but a couple thousand or maybe

632
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:30,799
tens of thousand years in advance of us

633
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,919
there is nothing to say that they don't

634
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:36,000
need to actually physically remove you

635
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,880
from earth

636
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,039
they could just take the essence that is

637
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,880
you now that of course you would ask

638
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,640
well then why the heck are you you know

639
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,320
performing surgical things

640
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,720
i can't answer that maybe maybe the

641
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,720
egyptians were right and our corporeal

642
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,400
form and our spiritual form are tied

643
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,240
together and if that's the case

644
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:55,360
we're screwed but let's that where it is

645
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:56,159
for now

646
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,159
um but i do think that there is

647
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,919
something to the idea that this

648
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,080
is not a psychological phenomenon just

649
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,760
in the sense that it is

650
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:05,840
something your mind is constructing but

651
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,480
that it is a non-physical phenomenon

652
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,400
that leaves you with very real memories

653
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:12,000
of something that you believed

654
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,520
actually happened in your body i don't

655
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,120
know if i believe that's the case for

656
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,120
every single alien abduction but it's

657
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:18,400
certainly something

658
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,080
um that bears more research

659
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,080
yeah i i will piggyback off of that i

660
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:26,400
actually agree with what rob's saying a

661
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,440
lot of the um

662
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,360
the stuff i'm looking at right now has

663
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,520
to do with uh with consciousness

664
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:33,440
you know can we separate this from the

665
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,720
body is this

666
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:37,360
what is on the other side when we leave

667
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:37,840
this

668
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,360
we're in um

669
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:43,919
is the soul literally something that

670
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,559
travels

671
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,960
to another body or another plane um

672
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:48,400
maybe that is how the

673
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,000
quote-unquote uh ets or whoever are

674
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,039
doing these abductions maybe that's why

675
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:57,679
most alien abduction cases seem

676
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,400
dreamlike

677
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,080
almost every person who comes to me

678
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,840
saying they were abducted says it felt

679
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,760
like a dream a vivid dream

680
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:05,679
maybe they are separating the

681
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,559
consciousness taking that doing whatever

682
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,840
and then throwing them back in maybe

683
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,120
that's why we don't have

684
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,360
a lot of physical evidence now again you

685
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,760
could argue these implants and this

686
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,640
and scars and everything but um yeah i

687
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:20,240
think it's fascinating that that's where

688
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,200
the research

689
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,360
is heading this is no longer a little

690
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:26,080
green man kidnapping you onto a craft it

691
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,039
seems like

692
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,600
they're almost invading um upon

693
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,039
something even more

694
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:33,200
sacred and that's whatever's inside of

695
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,159
us um

696
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,799
so yeah i think it's fascinating that

697
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,559
they could be connected out of body

698
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:41,039
and alien abduction for sure mark there

699
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,559
directed a question to rob

700
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:45,120
is it hell or is it space i would say or

701
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,720
is it somewhere in between something we

702
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,159
haven't even thought of yet

703
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:50,400
i mean the tender tether between hell

704
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,279
and space

705
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,760
that yanks you between both spectrums

706
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,000
thank you for that micah um

707
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:57,919
no i'd say i'd say i'm gonna give i'm

708
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,480
gonna give both a win on this one helen

709
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,440
yeah so there it is there you go

710
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,880
everybody's happy

711
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:07,120
oh and actually mary bittersweet has

712
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:08,400
taken it to a place that i knew it was

713
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,360
going to go

714
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,679
uh you know she just put alien

715
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:13,840
abductions equal fae abductions

716
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,760
what are you guys thoughts on that um

717
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,840
go ahead micah please well i was merely

718
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,919
going to defer to my esteemed colleague

719
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,840
joshua cutchen who is not here with us

720
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:25,440
at the moment uh you know but i mean you

721
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:25,840
know

722
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,039
this idea really kind of at least goes

723
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:31,360
back to the late 1960s and

724
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:34,880
you know the magonia kind of approach

725
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,760
this um almost an ethnological kind of a

726
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,360
look at ufos

727
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,679
that seems to kind of grow out of a

728
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,360
frustration with

729
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,400
study from 1947 up until the late 60s of

730
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,640
the physical tangible reality of ufos

731
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,080
until now we're starting to say maybe

732
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,919
this approach is flawed somehow and we

733
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,279
should look in other

734
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,159
places for other evidence jacques valet

735
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,760
really i mean can essentially be

736
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,840
credited not only for the idea but for

737
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,159
driving this rift into ufology

738
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,919
by presenting it and yet what he

739
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,600
presented was very nebulous he never

740
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,360
really said it is this or it isn't

741
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,360
you know or it is this and it isn't that

742
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,360
you know i mean it was more a kind of a

743
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,159
maybe we should be kind of looking at

744
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:16,000
the continuity that this phenomena

745
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,960
presents

746
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,880
in relation to things that humans have

747
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,240
experienced for

748
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:22,000
you know centuries or really since time

749
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,520
immemorial

750
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,760
which it's less of an answer as it is i

751
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,600
think sort of a vehicle toward further

752
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:28,000
thinking

753
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,600
about the phenomena now that a lot of

754
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,440
people don't like that you know and

755
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,120
i always tell people you got to kind of

756
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,960
be able to operate on different

757
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:37,039
partitions on the same hard drive so to

758
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,760
speak you know

759
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,960
be able to switch into different

760
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:41,120
programs you know on the one hand i like

761
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,080
to look at the physical

762
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,799
tangible you know phenomena you know of

763
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,960
ufos and try to apply science to what

764
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,360
few reports can be whittled down

765
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,919
and you know survive the rigorous ifo

766
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,120
screening

767
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,840
but then again i think at times we also

768
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,720
need to be aware

769
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,960
of the continuities to the earlier

770
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,799
varieties of the human experience and

771
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,600
remember that

772
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,600
there would be no ufology or anything

773
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,279
else we're discussing here tonight

774
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,440
without that human component that's

775
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,120
inevitably going to be a part of it

776
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:11,120
until ai takes over and does it all for

777
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,240
us

778
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,840
what it says to me that's fascinating

779
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,679
about the human condition is

780
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,240
just like micah was saying if you want

781
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,919
to be a ufo literalist

782
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:22,159
then what you will say is aliens have

783
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:23,919
been abducting humans since a time

784
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,720
immemorial

785
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,400
but back in the day we saw them as

786
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:28,880
goblins or faze or elves or whatever you

787
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,360
want to be

788
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,880
and the fairy houses that look like

789
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,200
mushrooms well that's the ufo

790
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,279
and if you want to be in non literals

791
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:36,960
because like he like he said jacques

792
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,520
valet

793
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,159
did not lay out an answer he proposed a

794
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,760
new way of looking at it

795
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:44,000
um and so if you if you want to be more

796
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,120
on the other side the more

797
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,960
mystical and paranormal side you can be

798
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,640
like no these

799
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,240
you know super terrestrials these

800
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:53,760
intelligent things that have lived on

801
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,240
earth

802
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,039
longer than us in their uh and they have

803
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,799
just as much acclaim to this place as

804
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,760
the rest of us

805
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:02,000
they are manifesting these things and as

806
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,520
the 20th century rolled around and we

807
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,679
got all excited by astonishing legends

808
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,279
and started looking at the sky

809
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,600
we started calling them aliens and in a

810
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,960
way both sides are

811
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,799
valid you could argue it either way and

812
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:14,400
and like micah said it is exceedingly

813
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,200
controversial

814
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:17,360
when it really ought not to be what it

815
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,399
should be is

816
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,399
this is just a way to look at a

817
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,559
phenomenon that seems to be ongoing and

818
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,399
it does not have to be either

819
00:27:30,269 --> 00:27:26,960
exclusively extraterrestrial or

820
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:33,430
megonia-esque or or fairy world-esque it

821
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,159
could be an

822
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:36,320
answer and i will and i will add this

823
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,200
caveat here

824
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,919
my idea of all this is that there's

825
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,440
always an underlying science

826
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,840
even if we're not there yet so if we

827
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,799
just plug away

828
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,720
and try to be as objective as possible

829
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,320
and study the work

830
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,000
we might not live to see it but

831
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,600
eventually some branch of science will

832
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:53,200
be like oh no this is how this can

833
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:53,919
happen

834
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,480
and i think it would behoove us as uh

835
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,240
you know paranormal investigators and

836
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,000
just people that are enthusiasts

837
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,720
to not be so grounded and by it's not

838
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,320
like a sports team you don't have to be

839
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:06,480
so invested in like the extraterrestrial

840
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,039
theory

841
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,640
or that and i used to be one of those

842
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,559
guys i was quite a literalist but the

843
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,080
older i get to where i'm thinking like

844
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:14,559
let the information stand as it will and

845
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:15,360
interpret it

846
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:18,399
um to the best of your ability as what

847
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:18,640
it

848
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,760
is and then step from there but but but

849
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,760
it really is a complex way of looking at

850
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:25,679
it because there are so many different

851
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,480
facets

852
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:29,039
that do seem equally at home in folklore

853
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,950
this might actually tie in sean crawford

854
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,919
has a question

855
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,360
he wants to know what the significance

856
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,760
of owls is with alien abductions

857
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:41,120
i thought maybe that might tie into what

858
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,240
you guys have been talking about over

859
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:44,320
the past couple minutes here

860
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,440
um i'll yeah i'll hop in i mean

861
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:50,080
for me personally as a abduction

862
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:51,520
researcher um

863
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,559
i will serve as what our mutual

864
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:56,080
colleague mike clelland i think would

865
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:56,640
say

866
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,679
as a messenger i mean owls are

867
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,440
often seen before an abduction

868
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:02,960
experience after

869
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:05,760
um and we're talking literal owls not

870
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,240
the

871
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,799
idea of a screen memory which a lot of

872
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,600
people say

873
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,760
um is what this intelligence that

874
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,679
abducts what they use

875
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,600
something that our minds can fathom and

876
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,200
perceive um

877
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,039
that may or may not look like what they

878
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:21,279
actually look like and that's what they

879
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:21,679
use

880
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,720
to screen um themselves to you

881
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,960
uh that's a whole other can of worms um

882
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:29,760
but in terms of owls they are a mystical

883
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,399
creature

884
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,440
and um you know there's so much to that

885
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,600
so i think it's fascinating you look at

886
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,960
some of the um

887
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,960
the biggest abduction cases out there

888
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,559
whitley strieber being one of them

889
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:43,120
uh remember seeing owls during an

890
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,399
abduction experience

891
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,919
i've spoken to many people who've

892
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:48,080
experienced this a lot of the literature

893
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,520
and television shows

894
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,720
and everything out there about

895
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,640
abductions have something to do with

896
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,080
owls now

897
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,840
is it you know a chicken or egg

898
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,279
situation or

899
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,279
how does that work but um yeah i find

900
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,640
owls fascinating and

901
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:02,159
if you really want to dive into that i

902
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,679
suggest looking at the work of

903
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,520
mike cleland who's written three books

904
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,440
about owls and ufos but um

905
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,919
no i'll pass it over to you michael well

906
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,679
i would actually say that you uh did

907
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,880
such a fine job

908
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,039
uh you know again i will only reiterate

909
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:17,039
uh mike clelland has kind of established

910
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,799
himself as the authority on that

911
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,320
with his two books in the messengers

912
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,000
series um you know mike and

913
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:24,159
uh andrea were wonderful enough to come

914
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,200
all the way to asheville

915
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:28,159
uh i think last year before last and we

916
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,600
all had dinner and he left a couple of

917
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,120
copies here but mike's been here

918
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:33,360
in the studio and we've done a couple of

919
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,720
episodes about that he shared some

920
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,559
really interesting experiences now

921
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,080
culturally and folklorically the only

922
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:39,760
other thing i would add is just that

923
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,880
the owl is sort of emblematic of

924
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,200
you know mystery uh in that great

925
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:47,039
tradition of twin peaks the owls are not

926
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,159
what they seem

927
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,919
uh you know here we have a raptor here

928
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,919
we have a nocturnal creature

929
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,159
uh a bird of prey and yet one also that

930
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:56,159
is symbolic throughout cultures and

931
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,039
throughout time

932
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:59,200
uh you know for intelligence uh

933
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,480
primarily and so it

934
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:02,320
is interesting to me even if we were to

935
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,840
say let's remove all the possibility

936
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,840
that there's an abduction phenomenon

937
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,480
but people recognize that owl is some

938
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,080
motif within it well why is

939
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,240
that so prevalent that in itself is

940
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,840
interesting because it seems to be

941
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:15,440
almost like an archetypal kind of

942
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:16,159
imagery

943
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,519
that is yet again one of these

944
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:19,440
consistencies that remains throughout

945
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:23,120
cultures and throughout time i will add

946
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,240
one small thing

947
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,320
that's not nearly as erudite as what

948
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:27,600
ryan and micah said

949
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,559
when it comes to flatwoods monster not

950
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:31,600
my all

951
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:34,720
that is not an owl that is a giant sweet

952
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,919
robot alien lizard i don't know what it

953
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,519
is but it's not a dang owl

954
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:40,799
i just had to say it i love the

955
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,710
um just really quick just to close up

956
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:48,559
this subject i think i asked this very

957
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,120
same thing

958
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,120
last time to everybody but if you guys

959
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,880
could finally know that you know the

960
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,919
whole thing was real

961
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,320
nuts and talking nuts and bolts craft

962
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,760
alien grays and

963
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,120
you get the tall whites over there in

964
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:01,039
the corner but you may have to go

965
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,799
through some pretty gnarly stuff while

966
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,640
on board the craft you may or may not

967
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,080
remember some of it

968
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,919
but you would have the knowing that it

969
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:09,519
was real would you guys be willing to go

970
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,320
through that

971
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,720
yeah i'd do it let's party that's my

972
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:13,519
point

973
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,279
yeah i mean if micah's gonna do it i'm

974
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,760
doing it for sure

975
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,120
i'll go first and tell you what it's

976
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:23,039
like okay fine you'll be there with your

977
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,080
tongue

978
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:26,159
but as neil degrasse tyson would say

979
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,120
bring your damn

980
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:30,399
camera and get photos of it please for

981
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,600
god's sake

982
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,519
if you're going to end up exactly in the

983
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,360
same boat as so many other people with

984
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,640
nebulous memories uh according shoot

985
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,159
that might have a little

986
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:42,559
pain in it and and no way to convince

987
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,600
anybody but to

988
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,159
look like a damn fool i would really

989
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,840
need some sort of confirmation that at

990
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,360
least i will have

991
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,760
a concise memory i would i would have to

992
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,519
write on contract i need like six

993
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,840
caveats before i am going to subject

994
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,120
myself and just randomly

995
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,559
be laying around in a road like poor

996
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:00,559
travis walton going oh man

997
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,720
oh man did i say yes to this why did i

998
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,760
say yes to this

999
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:06,080
this is horrible i feel icky i'm gonna

1000
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:07,200
shower for three days

1001
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,720
i don't know if i would fully commit

1002
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:10,399
unless i really knew i was getting

1003
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,519
something out of it

1004
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,080
yeah well you have great story though

1005
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,919
rob and you could you'd have all kinds

1006
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,120
of things to to

1007
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,360
transfer onto the art that you love to

1008
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,480
do so much i mean you'd probably be

1009
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,840
doing it in your sleep you're like

1010
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,399
oh it's so messed up you know exactly

1011
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,919
the whole part where i'm crying through

1012
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,039
my sketchbook yeah

1013
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,559
yeah that's appealing to me for some

1014
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,399
reason just call me old-fashioned

1015
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,080
i like to enjoy the things i've been

1016
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:34,320
doing not go through anxiety attacks

1017
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:35,120
every time

1018
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,509
we'll leave you in the gray area

1019
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:45,430
all right well let's switch gears i mean

1020
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:46,640
we've got we've got

1021
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,600
the man himself here who actually wrote

1022
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,519
the book on the lizard man of skateboard

1023
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,480
swamp

1024
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:55,200
and uh lyle did you just want to give a

1025
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,679
quick

1026
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,720
you know uh snapshot a rundown

1027
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,640
of uh or what's the word they use in the

1028
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,120
office that for jim anyway

1029
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,200
yeah give one of those for the lizard

1030
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,399
man and

1031
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,520
over there in bishopville okay uh

1032
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:12,320
this was a kind of a rather famous

1033
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:13,599
mostly crypto

1034
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,240
zoological case that occurred in the

1035
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,399
summer of 1988

1036
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,280
near bishopville south carolina and

1037
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,040
that's in the proximity of a place

1038
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:25,040
called skateboard swamp

1039
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,280
and in the summer of that year

1040
00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:31,200
people in the area begin to report

1041
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:33,560
seeing some sort of a

1042
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,399
anthropomorphic creature

1043
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,599
or entity of some sort there in and

1044
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,119
about skateboard swamp

1045
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,040
and the locals begin to call it the

1046
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:45,599
lizard man and the first time it came

1047
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:48,800
upon the radar of the police

1048
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,919
and the press was when a couple who

1049
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,440
lived right there on the edge of

1050
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,480
skateboard swamp

1051
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,560
called and said their car had been

1052
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,920
vandalized

1053
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,320
you know overnight and the weird thing

1054
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,160
about that was is it looked like

1055
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,280
animals had damaged the car so they put

1056
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:06,800
in a call to

1057
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,839
the lee county sheriff's office

1058
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,400
and sheriff listen truesdale and some

1059
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,320
deputies went down and investigated

1060
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,400
looked at the car and

1061
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,320
they were kind of mystified because sure

1062
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:19,680
enough there was all kinds of

1063
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:22,880
animal tracks and uh damage to the car

1064
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:26,160
with with the trim torn off and wires

1065
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,359
torn out of the engine

1066
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,400
and all sorts of stuff and you know

1067
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,560
ultimately they're like we don't really

1068
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,920
know what to make of this

1069
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,839
you know you live at the edge of a swamp

1070
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,160
perhaps some animals were fighting

1071
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:40,720
um or what have you and as they were

1072
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,520
leaving

1073
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,040
one of the locals said well maybe it was

1074
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:45,119
the lizard man and sheriff truesdell

1075
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:45,599
said

1076
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,119
people been seeing this

1077
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:52,160
creature in and around this area and so

1078
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,720
he

1079
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:54,880
you know kind of thought whatever have

1080
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,520
these people come talk to me then

1081
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,280
well that ended up getting printed in

1082
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,880
the papers because some

1083
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,760
newshounds that followed along and once

1084
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:05,920
i got in the paper

1085
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,520
a couple of weeks later a man

1086
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,200
brought his son into the sheriff's

1087
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,040
office and

1088
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,079
this young man christopher davis

1089
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:18,160
had quite a story to tell he told

1090
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,440
sheriff truesdale

1091
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,520
that a couple of weeks back he had had a

1092
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:22,960
flat tire

1093
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,680
in the skateboard swamp area at about

1094
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,160
2am while he was coming home from work

1095
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,000
he worked at a fast food place in

1096
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,839
bishopville which is a very small town

1097
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,359
and you have to drive through

1098
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,359
skateboard swamp and of course this is

1099
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,280
not where you want to have a flat tire

1100
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,200
but anyway as he finished up changing

1101
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,839
that uh and putting the jack and the

1102
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,160
tire back in his car he sees some

1103
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:47,040
something coming at him in this in the

1104
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,760
moonlight

1105
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,280
through this fennel grass that's out

1106
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:51,200
there in this field where he was stopped

1107
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,880
and he said it looked first like a human

1108
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:56,400
which is scary enough because you're out

1109
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,680
there in the middle of nowhere

1110
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,400
and then as it got closer he believed

1111
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,880
that this was some kind of a

1112
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,880
creature of some sort though it was on

1113
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,480
two legs bipedal

1114
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,880
uh you said it looked reptilian it was

1115
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:10,720
either brown or green

1116
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,079
um it had fingers that had three uh

1117
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,560
hands that had three finger long fingers

1118
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,839
with claws and

1119
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,599
anyway of course he jumps in the car and

1120
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,599
starts it up and this thing tries to get

1121
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,040
in there and attack him

1122
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,200
and he manages to speed away and the

1123
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,119
thing is running after him down the road

1124
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:28,800
and jumps on the top of the car

1125
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,680
and anyway so he gets home and his dad

1126
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,040
was there

1127
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,359
and after this happened they didn't know

1128
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,800
what to say i mean you're not going to

1129
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,560
call the press or the police they just

1130
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:40,720
kept quiet until that news story came

1131
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:41,359
out

1132
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,160
the area began to say they had seen a

1133
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:47,839
similar creature

1134
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:50,480
either around that time or even going

1135
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,200
back

1136
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,599
a couple of years preceding those

1137
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,520
incidents and then through the rest of

1138
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,839
the summer of 1988 there was massive

1139
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,680
pres press coverage i mean it was like

1140
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,040
lizard mania

1141
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,320
uh the dan rather was on

1142
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:07,520
site doing broadcasts out of skateboard

1143
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,560
swap there was

1144
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,560
newspaper coverage that was picked up by

1145
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,320
the associated press it was in all the

1146
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:14,480
local newspapers it was everywhere the

1147
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,240
oprah show was calling christopher davis

1148
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,480
unprecedented sort of a thing and all

1149
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:21,920
the while

1150
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,119
sheriff truesdale followed the case

1151
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,680
and was meticulous about documenting

1152
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,560
this

1153
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,240
not that he believed there was

1154
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,480
necessarily a lizard man but just

1155
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:35,200
that he it was his duty to follow up and

1156
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,240
he felt like

1157
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:38,480
if it's a rogue bear if it's somebody

1158
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,280
playing a

1159
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:42,000
prank uh it was his duty to follow up

1160
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,800
because if he didn't

1161
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,240
people would say you know you were

1162
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,720
negligent if somebody got killed or

1163
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,640
whatever happened so

1164
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,560
there was truckloads of people down

1165
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,960
there with guns going in the swamp

1166
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,800
and of course like any of these cases

1167
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,480
you know rumors that

1168
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,400
this person or that person was

1169
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,200
responsible for these sightings and

1170
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:04,000
uh you know a plethora of different

1171
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,200
theories and

1172
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,680
and news stories from just simply

1173
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:08,960
covering that to

1174
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,680
obviously silly ones where they

1175
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,880
portrayed the

1176
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,560
creature creatures having a tail and a

1177
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,760
big alligator mouth godzilla looking

1178
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,440
though that's not what people reported

1179
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:21,520
they reported something that was

1180
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:24,560
much more uh a bit

1181
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:27,599
practical and and haunting in that it

1182
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:28,240
was

1183
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:31,920
and it stood upright it didn't have a

1184
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,480
tail

1185
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:35,040
it you know no special powers they just

1186
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:35,760
would see it

1187
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:38,640
and it would disappear in the swamp so

1188
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,599
uh

1189
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,520
you know long story short it was one of

1190
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,800
those that i was

1191
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,440
enamored with this case and just the

1192
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,280
fact that it was this sort of

1193
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:49,119
almost to me like a creature from the

1194
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:52,240
black lagoon in modern times

1195
00:39:57,069 --> 00:39:55,920
that had been pursued by the police and

1196
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:57,079
mentioned in many

1197
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,720
cryptozoology cryptozoology texts

1198
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,240
but nobody ever really written a

1199
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,640
comprehensive book so during

1200
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,880
um back in a time when i went on a swap

1201
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:08,000
tour

1202
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,599
and went out to bishopville and went to

1203
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,040
skateboard swamp it

1204
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,440
spent some time with sheriff truesdale

1205
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,000
and also partly due to micah

1206
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,079
actually suggesting that perhaps i

1207
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,000
should write a book on this

1208
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,280
all that kind of came together

1209
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:25,520
and resulted in my book lizardman the

1210
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,910
and it's a fantastic book too let me

1211
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,839
just throw that in there

1212
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,839
so in many ways i approached it much

1213
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,000
like

1214
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:41,520
are seeing a

1215
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,800
perceived physical creature in a swampy

1216
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,800
environment a rugged

1217
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:49,200
remote hard to get to place but of

1218
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:50,079
course

1219
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,130
this type of um

1220
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,400
[Music]

1221
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,599
when you're dealing with any sort of a

1222
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,000
reptilian type thing you know it does

1223
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,119
cross over into that uh

1224
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,400
category of extraterrestrial or this

1225
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,160
theory that reptilians

1226
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,280
uh subterranean reptilian race lives

1227
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:11,680
underground and is it one of those

1228
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,200
um there's a lot of ways you can go and

1229
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:17,440
trying to run down any explanation for

1230
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,240
this but

1231
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,480
you know like most of my books i just

1232
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,800
simply tell the story and the story unto

1233
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,400
itself is intriguing

1234
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,800
no matter what we conclude it may or may

1235
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,640
not be

1236
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,240
uh lyle had a quick question for you i

1237
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:31,839
know you spent a lot of time

1238
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:34,240
obviously uh in boggy creek but how much

1239
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,880
time did you

1240
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,800
did you spend in bishopville for the

1241
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,480
lizard man

1242
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,040
i spent a week down there um obviously

1243
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,640
yeah it's

1244
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,960
with buggy creek i can go there just

1245
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,480
about any time three and a half hours

1246
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,319
away with that one um

1247
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,400
i went there and with the intention of

1248
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,079
writing a book on

1249
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,280
swamps that had strange things so i went

1250
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,280
there and luckily i spent time

1251
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,359
and the fortunate thing was i was given

1252
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:01,359
access to all the police reports

1253
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,400
all the photos everything and had uh

1254
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,240
sheriff truesdale who was retired at the

1255
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,560
time and he's no longer with us

1256
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,280
he he literally took me around i went to

1257
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,560
houses

1258
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,319
where the witness some of the witnesses

1259
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,839
were and were able to interview them so

1260
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,760
it was very concise and quick

1261
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,880
way to really delve into this subject

1262
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:23,760
um and then you know when i came home i

1263
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:24,160
then

1264
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,760
continued to interview various people or

1265
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,280
follow up with all the newspaper

1266
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,920
accounts to to ultimately build the

1267
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:34,640
entire story which is not just in 1988

1268
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:35,440
it's

1269
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,720
you know there's preceding and post

1270
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:40,960
sightings that continued for several

1271
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,430
lila i was wondering there's sightings

1272
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:46,880
in other places

1273
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:49,280
oh sorry right no not at all man that's

1274
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,000
a good question

1275
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,680
yeah are there sightings in other places

1276
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,280
what was the question yeah other than

1277
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,200
you know south carolina or

1278
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,040
just blizzard man sightings in general

1279
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,040
other places in the us or even the world

1280
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,880
i mean is this the only place that these

1281
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,240
things are cited

1282
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:06,160
no it's certainly kind of the most

1283
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,599
famous uh

1284
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,280
of these you know just because of the

1285
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,800
massive amount of press coverage and

1286
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,560
things and it was concentrated there was

1287
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,200
a lot of sightings but it's not the only

1288
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,839
sighting of a what we would call lizard

1289
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:19,599
man would be a category of

1290
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,560
of cryptid um there's been sightings in

1291
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,760
you know new jersey texas louisiana

1292
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,119
mississippi

1293
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,520
um just just sporadic though i mean it's

1294
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,400
it's nothing like

1295
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,400
say bigfoot where you have thousands of

1296
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,079
sightings they're very

1297
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,079
uh few and far between but there

1298
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,960
certainly are similar ones everywhere

1299
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,640
well i want to ask you something too you

1300
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,560
know uh again with kind of you know

1301
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,880
the main focus of your work and

1302
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,640
increasingly over time even my own

1303
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,760
uh although that's kind of been a

1304
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,880
long-held interest just you know the

1305
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,079
sasquatch phenomena

1306
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,560
broadly in north america and also relic

1307
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,920
hominoids around the world

1308
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,240
is there any way in your mind that the

1309
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,359
lizard man thing

1310
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,839
is somehow reconcilable with hairy

1311
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,040
bipeds and

1312
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,720
hominids because a lot of people's

1313
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,920
argument against something like

1314
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,520
lizardman would be that you know

1315
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,280
we haven't seen something a bipedal

1316
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,280
humanoid type you know lizard-like

1317
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,800
creature since maybe

1318
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,319
that the era of the dinosaurs and even

1319
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,839
those weren't quite like us

1320
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,359
what if this was you know something that

1321
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:19,680
gave the appearance of of scales or

1322
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,720
something i mean what are your thoughts

1323
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,000
in that regard being a

1324
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,720
bigfoot researcher primarily yeah that

1325
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,680
was one of

1326
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,319
and perhaps my favorite and most

1327
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,240
grounded explanation was

1328
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,280
that yeah biologically we have no

1329
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:36,319
precedent for any sort of a reptilian

1330
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,440
human or a hybrid or a humanoid and like

1331
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:41,040
you say even the dinosaurs

1332
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,240
those are though there's been some

1333
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,839
theories and i talked about those in the

1334
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,160
book like this dinosaur roid

1335
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,960
where they theorized if the if some of

1336
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:50,000
those creatures that's

1337
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,000
about survived that they would have

1338
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,160
eventually walked upright and become

1339
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:58,560
more anthropomorphic you know but

1340
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:01,839
um given what we have i thought that

1341
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,480
the descriptions of the creature in

1342
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:05,680
around a swamp

1343
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,800
it could have easily been perhaps a

1344
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:10,079
sasquatch with

1345
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:14,400
either just simply wet covered in algae

1346
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,760
or one that's infected by mange has some

1347
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,760
sort of skin condition

1348
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,079
um because you know the sightings aren't

1349
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:23,520
they're very brief i mean you know

1350
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,240
people aren't

1351
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,160
studying this creature for very long

1352
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,680
because either it's

1353
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,599
quickly moving across and disappearing

1354
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,599
into the woods or it's frightening

1355
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,760
in which you know one guy just got on

1356
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:36,160
his bike and rode off because it's scary

1357
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:36,960
so

1358
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,680
dark it's brief

1359
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:44,960
you could easily see a sasquatch um

1360
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,760
that's wet and interpret that as it

1361
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:49,440
maybe it was scaly or maybe it was

1362
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,800
green so it's weird to explain one

1363
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:54,480
cryptid with another cryptid but i think

1364
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,599
that's a good theory

1365
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:56,800
oh but you know you bring up something

1366
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,839
else really interesting that i got to

1367
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,640
throw in there

1368
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,480
you know when we talk about like mange

1369
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,680
or something like that you know right

1370
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,079
behind you ryan you got your chupacabra

1371
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,560
uh poster and uh you know with the

1372
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,640
reports of raccoons foxes i've seen a

1373
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,560
fox in the wild with mange and it

1374
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:12,400
is it really throws you off because you

1375
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,440
don't know at first what you're looking

1376
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:14,720
like you're used to you know used to

1377
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,760
seeing that red color

1378
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:18,640
you know the tail the bushy tail uh but

1379
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:18,960
if

1380
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:22,640
biological reality and it's a hair

1381
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,440
covered

1382
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,680
you know uh mammal i mean it would be

1383
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,040
equally able to

1384
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,839
you know acquire mange so how would a

1385
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,359
sasquatch look

1386
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,720
if it were written with mange or

1387
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,000
something along those lines that's a

1388
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,160
really interesting point too

1389
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,319
absolutely i mean if you saw that you

1390
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,160
would you know

1391
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:42,560
you know scramble your mind what is that

1392
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,200
and you're

1393
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,520
you know you may not stay sasquatch but

1394
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,800
you're not gonna say bear

1395
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,359
you're just simply gonna and the locals

1396
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,200
again you know that's the name they gave

1397
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,040
it which has a lot of connotations for

1398
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,720
lizard man but

1399
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,640
you know in all these cases you know the

1400
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,160
newspaper would they just

1401
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,440
give it a name and you know who knows

1402
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:02,960
what it was

1403
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:06,240
history is as as fascinating and i think

1404
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:06,640
as

1405
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,720
think about um

1406
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:13,119
you know uh harry hamid that you know he

1407
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,400
has some sort of mange or something

1408
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,079
because like you say deciding to brief

1409
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:18,800
if indeed it is something that is either

1410
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,200
more

1411
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,319
reptilian or amphibious like say um

1412
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,480
the fetus lake monster from canada which

1413
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:26,240
had the whole nine yards the big punk

1414
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:27,280
rock frill

1415
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,720
the actual silver scales um

1416
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,880
you you definitely you know you you are

1417
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,559
a great cryptozoological

1418
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,720
you know investigator and author and i

1419
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,720
know that you have biases there but i

1420
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,960
don't presume to know like what your

1421
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:41,839
thoughts would be

1422
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,599
on to as to what could represent these

1423
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,079
things that seem to be distinctly

1424
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,680
if not non-mammalian just not a classic

1425
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:53,280
misidentified sasquatch something that

1426
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,559
definitely seems to have

1427
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,880
reptilian and or amphibious uh

1428
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,160
attributes

1429
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,160
where would you think this would fit in

1430
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:02,240
in i guess the scale of

1431
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,839
well you know darwinian evolution and

1432
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:06,640
cryptozoology

1433
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:09,680
i i think really the only place perhaps

1434
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,400
is if

1435
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,440
some un documented

1436
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:16,800
unknown uh dinosaur

1437
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,319
had survived miraculously all this time

1438
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,520
without uh being seen

1439
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:26,880
that again this theory you know done by

1440
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:29,440
put together by guys more qualified that

1441
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:30,480
tetrapod

1442
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:33,599
kind of dinosaurs would evolve in this

1443
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:37,599
upright walking bipedal progression

1444
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:41,520
uh partly because as their brains got

1445
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,400
bigger or they

1446
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,119
became smarter and things like this that

1447
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,359
adjustments would be made in the head

1448
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,280
and the way they carried the head and

1449
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,680
you know this sort of thing that if

1450
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:52,640
something had

1451
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,480
survived and uh

1452
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,280
then it perhaps it would appear like

1453
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,680
people are describing this lizard man

1454
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,040
so it would have to be something that

1455
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,040
was here all along i mean it's

1456
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,839
it's too big of a creature to just be an

1457
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,119
offshoot of a

1458
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:11,520
any sort of normal lizard even a komodo

1459
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,760
dragon i mean those are big but

1460
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,680
they're a far cry from something

1461
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,079
standing up that looks anything like

1462
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:21,200
you know humanoid you know so but the

1463
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,319
problem with that of course

1464
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,480
is it's like you know how could there be

1465
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,160
only one i mean if something like that

1466
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,480
survived you would expect

1467
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,720
more a little more sightings or

1468
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,920
something else which

1469
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,760
makes it sort of an anomaly something

1470
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:35,920
that was just there and

1471
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,200
uh and gone and

1472
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,680
you know the the thought of this lone

1473
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,920
surviving dinosaur something that it

1474
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,079
evolved is romantic but it can't be just

1475
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:47,760
one it have to be multiple and i think

1476
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:48,559
you'd have more

1477
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,839
sightings in south carolina for example

1478
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,680
so that's the only way i could fit it in

1479
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:55,599
as if it was something that had

1480
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:59,839
um you know changed over time and become

1481
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:00,720
this

1482
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,599
what fascinates me is is especially in

1483
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,359
the ohio river area just

1484
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,520
obviously it is a hotbed for

1485
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:09,920
cryptozoological ecological paranormal

1486
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,359
madness but the river monsters from the

1487
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,920
indescribable octa man to the green club

1488
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,680
beast which was never seen but just

1489
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,680
yanked a woman you know like the day

1490
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:21,359
after the hopkins bill goblins i mean

1491
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:21,760
it's

1492
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,800
a paradise of weird there um if there

1493
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:26,240
was something i'm just going to wildly

1494
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,960
speculate

1495
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:29,200
amphibious and it could just as easily

1496
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,240
spend its time

1497
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:32,559
sleeping in the mud breathing the water

1498
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,520
eating the fish

1499
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,200
having no reason to interact with the

1500
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,520
hairless apes topside because

1501
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:39,839
we're just trouble and we own guns would

1502
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,720
you think that there's

1503
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,240
any chance that something like that

1504
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:44,640
that's just smart enough to avoid us

1505
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,680
could represent uh a small portion of

1506
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:49,359
what these sightings are rather than

1507
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,800
a lone air breather in a swamp

1508
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,720
it's possible certainly i mean and i

1509
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:56,400
certainly never rule anything out

1510
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,359
because we

1511
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,359
we have to rule everything in until we

1512
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,920
can you know find an explanation so yeah

1513
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,079
certainly it's not out of the question

1514
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,160
though improbable it's not impossible

1515
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:07,440
that

1516
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,559
you do have those

1517
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:12,400
other and i talk about this in the book

1518
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,440
the ohio river incident where the thing

1519
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,880
reached up and grabbed the woman the

1520
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,880
fetus lake monster

1521
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:21,200
the loveland frog anywhere you have

1522
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:22,400
these sort of

1523
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:26,160
anomalous amphibious reptilian creatures

1524
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:27,680
that are big enough and that

1525
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,960
appear to walk on two legs you know not

1526
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,400
out of the question because a lot of the

1527
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,559
places where they're gonna live

1528
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:37,119
are you know a swamp i mean there's not

1529
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,720
you can't develop all of that

1530
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,800
there's not many people walking you know

1531
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,839
nobody's

1532
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,079
hiking and biking through there i mean

1533
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,480
you have hunters and canoes

1534
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:49,280
but there you know you could live back

1535
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:50,319
in there

1536
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,680
relatively untouched who knows now i may

1537
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:56,640
be accused of being primate centric here

1538
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,359
gentlemen and lady but i'll share this

1539
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:01,359
this following passage from the tata de

1540
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,480
boulet

1541
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,880
about their whittigo or wendigo

1542
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,640
traditions different variants on the

1543
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,400
same concept you know the

1544
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,400
cannibalistic giants in native american

1545
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,839
indian folklore but

1546
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:14,240
the account here and this one actually

1547
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,280
comes to us from john

1548
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,599
m cooper's article the cree whitaker

1549
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,960
psychosis i've been researching this

1550
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,480
stuff today can you tell

1551
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,960
and the account goes that the wichiko

1552
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,240
used to rub himself

1553
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,000
like the animals against the first

1554
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,319
spruce and other resinous trees

1555
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,839
and then when he was thus covered with

1556
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:31,680
gum or resin he would go roll in the

1557
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,160
sand

1558
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,920
so that one would have thought that

1559
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,760
after many operation of this kind he was

1560
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,200
made of stone

1561
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,119
and it got me thinking i mean that

1562
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,119
certainly might give one the appearance

1563
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,280
uh you know with hair covered in resin

1564
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:45,119
and then with you know the dust and the

1565
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,599
stone

1566
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,440
sticking to that i mean a scaly kind of

1567
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,040
appearance too

1568
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,520
so uh what's interesting is that is a

1569
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,119
traditional motif

1570
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,960
of the quote-unquote stone giant

1571
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,880
throughout all the native american

1572
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:58,559
traditions i know especially with lyle

1573
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:59,920
i'm preaching to the choir because he

1574
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,319
reads

1575
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,319
so much of this stuff too but i wondered

1576
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,839
about that in relation to the

1577
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,000
the lizardman idea as well with the

1578
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,839
scaly appearance

1579
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,599
yeah i mean that that's another thing

1580
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,280
you know it's intentionally

1581
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,040
rolling in the mud and it drying and

1582
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,559
caking and

1583
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:16,800
any number of things like that to try to

1584
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,160
reconcile

1585
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,079
what it was people are seeing that gave

1586
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,920
the impression of scale so

1587
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:24,079
and one other really interesting thing

1588
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,960
was as i

1589
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,880
discovered during the process of

1590
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:29,040
researching the book that

1591
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,640
uh the native americans of that area um

1592
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,119
that lived along the pee dee river and

1593
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:37,119
santi rivers and all those that ran up

1594
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,000
and down through

1595
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,040
south carolina they had

1596
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:44,319
a stories of a race

1597
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,440
of beings that they it translated to

1598
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,599
something called sharp tales

1599
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,440
but this race of beings that would

1600
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,359
appear every once in a while

1601
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,359
and come and visit and they had to dig

1602
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:57,599
holes because they had these tails

1603
00:54:01,190 --> 00:54:00,720
but short tails um hard sort of tails

1604
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,200
but

1605
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,839
they would sit and visit with them or

1606
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:05,599
interact in some way with these

1607
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:06,480
creatures

1608
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,160
and the description of them is not very

1609
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:13,040
far from sort of a lizard man type thing

1610
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,559
i mean they've got a tail

1611
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,520
they're coming from the sea or or some

1612
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,119
you know on the coast

1613
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,520
and you know they're seen for a while

1614
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,200
they said when the fish

1615
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:25,280
kind of ran dry or something they never

1616
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,480
saw him again

1617
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,720
but i thought it was really coincidental

1618
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,920
and really weird

1619
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,920
that the native americans would have any

1620
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,760
sort of a story about

1621
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,920
you know anything that we could equate

1622
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:36,960
with a lizard man

1623
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:40,319
in that very area and certainly people

1624
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,520
you know i'm going to say that like

1625
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,160
christopher davis this young man that

1626
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:47,200
made up this you know that reported the

1627
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:49,040
story people said well he made it up or

1628
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,599
whatever

1629
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,440
you know he would have never known about

1630
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,839
these the history of those kind of

1631
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,799
sightings and

1632
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,720
there was theories that a local farmer

1633
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,559
dressed up in a costume and he was the

1634
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,319
lizard man and stuff but

1635
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,920
those never account for the fact that

1636
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:03,520
there was all these sightings going on

1637
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,000
for

1638
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:06,000
several years and some of them quite

1639
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,359
credible in which

1640
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,400
five people saw it at once that's not a

1641
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:11,760
farmer i mean a guy would have been

1642
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,559
super busy

1643
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,760
running in and out of the swamp and such

1644
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,760
so if you just take out the hoax

1645
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,720
aspect it becomes more weird and the

1646
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,920
fact that

1647
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:24,000
perhaps you know the native americans

1648
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:25,359
had an encounter with something they

1649
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,510
in boggy creek you know oh man that's my

1650
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,640
cousin i was like

1651
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:37,359
this has been really busy let me just

1652
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:37,680
add

1653
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,799
lot of you know i mean

1654
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,079
being in north carolina i've been down

1655
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,160
there to skateboard passing through it

1656
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:45,599
but i've actually been out in a

1657
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,200
canoe in adjacent areas including like

1658
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,559
four hole swamp and when you encounter a

1659
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,880
cottonmouth water moccasin with a head

1660
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,559
as big as your fist

1661
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,240
you know coiled up over there on the

1662
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,400
bank the first time you see one

1663
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,799
resting in his environment like that you

1664
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,559
know and you realize you're the intruder

1665
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,079
the last thing you're going to want to

1666
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:08,000
go do is get in the suit and go trudging

1667
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:09,440
through those swamps i mean you are

1668
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:10,559
risking your life

1669
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,760
so do so at your own peril absolutely

1670
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,520
that none of that holds water it's you

1671
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,599
know

1672
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:20,160
i was fascinated oh no go ahead ryan

1673
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,440
please oh sorry rob

1674
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,680
um i i just wanted to ask while your

1675
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:25,839
opinion on the cultural significance of

1676
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,799
something like

1677
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,640
the lizard man i mean you've got

1678
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:31,040
flatwoods monster uh you've got mothman

1679
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,599
you've got

1680
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:34,559
the roswell ufo crash like these events

1681
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,359
bring

1682
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,680
a lot of commerce into these areas where

1683
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:38,960
this happens

1684
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,760
so um i i'd love to get your opinion on

1685
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,200
bishopville like is this

1686
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:45,760
the case there do they have a festival

1687
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,240
um

1688
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:49,119
how does the sort of identity of the

1689
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,599
area

1690
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,920
um does it morph and change when

1691
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:53,040
something like this

1692
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,280
occurs i mean i know for roswell like

1693
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:57,200
without that festival they do every year

1694
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,400
that place would probably disappear to

1695
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,160
be completely honest so

1696
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:04,079
yeah what are your thoughts on that yeah

1697
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,359
i mean and that's

1698
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,960
one of the things i like in writing

1699
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,400
these books especially where it's a

1700
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,799
concentrated case because i like to

1701
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,319
you know what were the effects of this

1702
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:14,319
thing on the on the town itself and the

1703
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,040
people

1704
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,520
and in the case of bishopville um not

1705
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,200
unlike some of them it's kind of been a

1706
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:21,920
love-hate relationship with that i think

1707
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,280
as while some of the townsfolk

1708
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:27,520
you know entertain it or at least even

1709
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,319
if they just

1710
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:30,000
don't believe a lizard man is

1711
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,359
interesting folklore

1712
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:34,079
you know they they they just counted as

1713
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:35,520
part of the history and then you've got

1714
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:35,839
a

1715
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,160
there

1716
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,559
and i was you know the keynote speaker

1717
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:04,880
for that obviously and

1718
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:07,440
but it was not put on as much by the

1719
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:08,160
community

1720
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:12,480
museum down there

1721
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:15,040
the south carolina cotton museum and the

1722
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:15,839
people who

1723
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,640
work there and run that they love this

1724
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,160
because it's just part of their

1725
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,319
the fabric of the history of bishopville

1726
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:23,760
and they recognize that hey

1727
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:26,880
it's just part of our culture now and

1728
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:29,920
you know if you google bishopville you

1729
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:30,240
know

1730
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,599
you're going to come up with lizard man

1731
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,599
you can't escape it

1732
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:36,160
so they've over time people have tried

1733
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:37,200
to convince the

1734
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:40,799
local town commissioner you know the

1735
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,119
the board of directors or whomever that

1736
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,040
let's capitalize on this it is what it

1737
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:47,119
is let's have a loser man festival and

1738
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,799
while they've incorporated the lizard

1739
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,880
man into their cotton festivals there's

1740
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,520
you know a float with a lizard man

1741
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:55,200
they haven't really completely yet

1742
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:56,799
embraced

1743
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:59,200
that hey let's make this fun and have a

1744
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,839
festival

1745
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:02,319
so other than the one which was

1746
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,200
organized

1747
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:05,200
by somebody who actually didn't live in

1748
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,480
bishopville

1749
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,280
um that's as far as it's gotten so it's

1750
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:10,960
still in the kind of

1751
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,079
love hate i think yeah

1752
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:16,160
one of the things this kind of ties in a

1753
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,240
bit here oh sorry rob go ahead

1754
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:20,000
oh i'll just say i'll say it quick just

1755
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,839
because it reminds me of it

1756
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,680
what i think the six of us have probably

1757
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:25,280
encountered more than once and i

1758
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,559
and i'm sure a lot of the people

1759
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:27,839
listening to this understand this is

1760
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:28,480
that

1761
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:31,119
um the average people out there and the

1762
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,319
skeptics that

1763
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,240
disguise themselves as the bunkers are

1764
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,240
always saying oh they turned to profit

1765
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,160
oh they exploited it oh a small town

1766
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,079
wanted to celebrate the mothman

1767
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,799
or the lizard man or a ufo crash in

1768
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:43,680
roswell

1769
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:47,760
somehow that like um taints the veracity

1770
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,240
of it

1771
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:50,079
but in my mind the local chamber of

1772
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:52,079
commerce and a local community trying to

1773
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,680
exploit anything they can

1774
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:55,119
to bring some attention on the

1775
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,400
traditional history of their town to

1776
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,160
turn a buck for their citizenry

1777
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,520
in no way negates the the truthfulness

1778
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:03,359
of the original eyewitness lighting like

1779
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:03,760
if

1780
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,920
you know dover wanted to have a demon

1781
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,119
days i think i think

1782
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,680
all states should have cryptic mascots

1783
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:11,040
and should be celebrated but i think

1784
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,640
it's very important to

1785
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:15,040
to realize and i know it sounds like i'm

1786
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,920
i'm on a soapbox

1787
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,920
so i'll make it quick that just because

1788
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:20,400
a small town exploits an experience that

1789
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,040
happened

1790
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,200
does not mean that the experience itself

1791
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,880
was created for the purpose of

1792
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,079
exploitation

1793
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:28,720
amen yeah you're precisely right and i

1794
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:29,920
mean it's

1795
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,599
uh it's they just need to look at it

1796
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,960
more in terms of

1797
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,040
people are fascinated with monsters i

1798
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:39,599
mean look at all the cable tv shows

1799
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:42,079
they don't realize that hey having a

1800
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:42,799
local

1801
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,359
creature it's part of the culture even

1802
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:47,280
if you just look at it as hey

1803
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,880
you know we may not believe in it but

1804
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,720
let's do something but yeah that doesn't

1805
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:52,880
erase the fact that in 1988

1806
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:56,079
we had real people undergoing lie

1807
01:01:02,470 --> 01:00:59,680
detectors investigated by the sheriff's

1808
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:02,480
department who's claimed to have seen

1809
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,359
something and

1810
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,200
if you know if they want to have a

1811
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:07,200
festival the mothman festival that

1812
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,640
has no effect on what actually happened

1813
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:13,200
and you know that's great if they do i

1814
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,720
love this stuff you know i hope they

1815
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,480
have a festival just because it's

1816
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:18,640
you meet people and talk to people and

1817
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:19,839
maybe that's when some

1818
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:22,000
person comes out comes to the festival

1819
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,680
said well you know i saw it but i never

1820
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,440
said anything in 1980

1821
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:28,079
i've you know people that criticize

1822
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,760
researchers and stuff are going to these

1823
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:31,680
conferences like it's a big money things

1824
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,240
like

1825
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,640
i have met a lot of people by networking

1826
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,559
even in a small town

1827
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:38,079
i would have never met these people

1828
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:39,680
because when they saw the festival they

1829
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,559
thought well

1830
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,480
i guess most they're not going to laugh

1831
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:44,160
at me if i go to this

1832
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:46,000
and then they come up to me and say you

1833
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,280
know i saw something

1834
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:50,079
boom now i've got another entry into the

1835
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:52,000
log of sightings that i would never

1836
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,119
have if the community hadn't embraced it

1837
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,960
yeah by the way also you know people who

1838
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:58,640
criticize researchers for going to these

1839
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:59,200
events

1840
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:00,400
you know y'all are just in it for the

1841
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:01,680
money i also like to point out if i

1842
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,799
wanted to make money i'd go be an

1843
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,000
investment banker

1844
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,880
all right last thing i'd be doing money

1845
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,599
what is this

1846
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:09,280
money you're speaking i don't know

1847
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:11,200
seriously i'm counting all my tens of

1848
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:13,280
dollars that i make

1849
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,720
you know spending this check wisely

1850
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:18,319
the thing is is i mean most of us who

1851
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:19,680
are involved in this kind of stuff you

1852
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:20,160
know

1853
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,160
we're driven a lot of us i'd like to

1854
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:28,160
think you know by a true passion like

1855
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:29,280
you're saying lyle for

1856
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:31,119
you know the interest that we all share

1857
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,640
in this and again you know people who

1858
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:34,079
are participating there in the chat same

1859
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,760
thing by the way uh hello to my brother

1860
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,200
jazz who's in there

1861
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:39,119
and i saw some hadel talk a second ago

1862
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:40,559
going on over there

1863
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:43,039
yeah they're on to us uh oh let's go ike

1864
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:44,720
where's ike

1865
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:47,839
yeah yeah i mean they're just fun

1866
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:48,640
subjects and

1867
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,520
you know and even you know going to the

1868
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:53,760
roswell festival or somebody

1869
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:56,400
you know it's fun for everybody no

1870
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:58,079
matter what interest you have from a

1871
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:59,839
researcher all the way to just somebody

1872
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:00,720
who

1873
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:04,160
i like ufos it it provides a

1874
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:07,920
an outlet for all levels of interest

1875
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:10,880
just to come together and to you know

1876
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:12,720
celebrate these as part of our history

1877
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,599
because

1878
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:15,599
they're the fun things in life to me you

1879
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,799
know it's like

1880
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,480
uh look at what's going on in the world

1881
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:20,160
at least we can kind of take a break

1882
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:21,760
from that and talk about

1883
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:24,960
some really strange phenomenon that's

1884
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:26,559
still going on

1885
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,160
uh it's a good diversion you know

1886
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:32,480
you're here yeah that's why derek and i

1887
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,760
created this and we'll be cutting you

1888
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,680
guys massive checks later okay those

1889
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:37,280
will be in the mail at some point next

1890
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:38,079
week

1891
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,359
yeah as soon as mine cleared yeah

1892
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:43,440
i mean there is a stipulation there but

1893
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:44,880
yeah derek do you have anything to say

1894
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:47,760
in in closing here

1895
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:49,839
i just wanted to ask wanted to ask a

1896
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,119
quick question uh

1897
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:53,359
probably lyle i guess these footprints

1898
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,880
that are associated with i believe the

1899
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,559
chris davis encounter

1900
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,839
uh what are your thoughts on these

1901
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:59,760
things because i look at them and and

1902
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:02,079
wow i'll wait and see what i think after

1903
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,799
you do that

1904
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:04,160
i'm curious to see what you think about

1905
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,039
the footprints that were found

1906
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:09,839
yeah i get asked about that and and uh

1907
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:12,640
essentially those were a few weeks after

1908
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:14,000
the christopher davis

1909
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:17,440
incident uh the sheriff's department got

1910
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,119
a call late at night and a couple of the

1911
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:20,799
deputies went out to this

1912
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:23,839
uh bramlett road which runs down by

1913
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:26,240
skateboard swamp and they were

1914
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:27,520
patrolling because this

1915
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:29,039
moment had said she heard some weird

1916
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:30,480
stuff that they wouldn't have normally

1917
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,280
responded to

1918
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:34,079
but in this case they did but they went

1919
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:34,880
past

1920
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,520
and as they were coming back they saw

1921
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,119
what looked like footprints across the

1922
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,799
road and they got out and looked and

1923
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:42,240
they saw these

1924
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:49,349
large they have

1925
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,799
oval pads and there's three big toes and

1926
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:54,720
they're rather exaggerated they look

1927
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:57,760
monstrous but somewhat not

1928
01:05:01,270 --> 01:05:00,559
you know biologically sound or solid as

1929
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,280
far as

1930
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:03,520
what an animal print would make but they

1931
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,720
could see no

1932
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,039
evidence of how they were made there was

1933
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:09,039
no footprints there was no

1934
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:12,319
car treads or tire tracks and nothing

1935
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,200
they just there was

1936
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:15,359
big things and they trumped off way off

1937
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:16,960
into the woods and they kind of followed

1938
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,319
them for a while with a flashlight and

1939
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:20,240
then they got spooked and were like

1940
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,079
i don't know what this isn't left so the

1941
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:23,760
next day they came down there and got

1942
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:24,400
the

1943
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:26,799
uh game warden and everybody else and

1944
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:28,799
sheriff truesdell and they

1945
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:31,119
uh you know the the wildlife commission

1946
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:32,400
just kind of wrote it off they're like

1947
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,359
these don't even look

1948
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,559
real um but fortunately they had the

1949
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,720
wherewithal to cast these tracks and

1950
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:40,240
they cast several of them

1951
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:41,920
that's the good thing about this case

1952
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:43,839
usually the police don't do anything

1953
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:44,319
i've got

1954
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:48,160
the footprint cast to

1955
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:51,359
to be able to look at today um but the

1956
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,440
tracks to me i mean if i look at them

1957
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:55,200
they just look hokey

1958
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,319
um right off the bat and and

1959
01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:00,480
the story behind those as i investigate

1960
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,000
i mean i i talk about this

1961
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:04,000
as it unfolds in the book so i try not

1962
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:06,079
to do spoilers if somebody wants to read

1963
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:06,880
it but

1964
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,079
um ultimately yes those are suspect

1965
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,799
at the very least they don't look

1966
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,480
natural

1967
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:16,880
and they are exaggerated and they

1968
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:18,000
perpetuate this

1969
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:19,760
three-toed track thing people are

1970
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,200
constantly with a big with the

1971
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:23,760
boggy creek and the honey island swamp

1972
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,480
monster

1973
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:26,400
and the lizard man always a three-toed

1974
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,400
track um but

1975
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:30,640
the thing i believe about this is this

1976
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:32,559
happens in a few of these cases where

1977
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,000
all these sightings start coming out

1978
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,920
well you've always got jokers who are

1979
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:37,680
wanting to add to it

1980
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:40,000
and again it doesn't take take away from

1981
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:41,760
the what the witnesses

1982
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:44,400
originally reported but you've got to be

1983
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:45,599
suspect that

1984
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,079
now kids are naturally going to go out

1985
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,920
and do something to kind of add to it

1986
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:51,039
because it's going to be in the

1987
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,640
newspaper

1988
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,200
but i don't think those are tied to the

1989
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:57,119
sightings you know these footprints

1990
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,960
are hokey and you can go down to the

1991
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,920
south carolina

1992
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:03,839
cotton museum and see those footprints

1993
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,319
to this day um so i really think that

1994
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,000
was just something that somebody tried

1995
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:10,480
to add to the case and it wasn't

1996
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:13,359
um the actual footprint of the creature

1997
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,630
i mean i'm sure you might agree

1998
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,240
yep definitely what were your thoughts

1999
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:26,480
on that bear

2000
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:27,839
uh just pretty much the same thing i

2001
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,240
mean they just don't look biological

2002
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,079
the three-toe thing really throws me off

2003
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:34,160
for a bipedal creature like that unless

2004
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:35,520
it's some sort of bird

2005
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:38,559
um my thought was that maybe it was a

2006
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:39,520
gator track that

2007
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,799
somebody kind of messed with a little

2008
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,480
bit to make it a little longer make it

2009
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:43,920
look a little more

2010
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:47,280
humanistic or whatever to alter the the

2011
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,400
shape of it but

2012
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,480
yeah i'm not just like the honey islands

2013
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:52,160
swap monster tracks i'm just not a big

2014
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:52,720
fan

2015
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:55,200
of yeah and they're definitely not gator

2016
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:56,480
tracks that were altered

2017
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:59,280
um and there was there were multiple

2018
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,960
tracks you know usually there's just one

2019
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,960
track then it's you know who knows but

2020
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,480
there were multiple and they all looked

2021
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:05,680
the same

2022
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,880
um the sheriff's they still can't figure

2023
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:10,559
out how they were made and that was kind

2024
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:12,240
of a weird thing unto itself it's how

2025
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,440
those tracks were made

2026
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,280
in that short period of time that those

2027
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:17,520
police had driven by

2028
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,829
well awesome guys well um well let's

2029
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,640
start with you

2030
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:27,120
uh where can everybody find you and your

2031
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:28,719
work

2032
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:32,000
uh just drop by lyleblackburn.com

2033
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,719
and that's got links to all my various

2034
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:35,759
projects

2035
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,080
books uh participation in these small

2036
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:39,920
town monsters documentaries

2037
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,400
which you can see those on amazon prime

2038
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:44,799
you can get my books on amazon

2039
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,920
as well in both paperback and kindle

2040
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:50,400
and you can buy those direct from my

2041
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store there's a link at

2042
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,920
blackburn.com so just drop by there and

2043
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,759
if you've seen anything weird or

2044
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,359
that you think i should know about

2045
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,000
definitely drop me a line

2046
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,159
micah how about you yeah it's easy to

2047
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:04,080
find micah hanks.com

2048
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:05,920
is of course the website and right there

2049
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,960
on the website you'll find all the

2050
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:08,719
podcasts and other stuff i'm involved

2051
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,679
with including

2052
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:11,600
all the archaeology stuff and uh

2053
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:12,880
there'll be some new projects in the

2054
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,600
next uh hopefully a few weeks so

2055
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,120
some crypto themed stuff so i'm kind of

2056
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,040
excited about that

2057
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,319
mr plaid man uh you can find me at

2058
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,400
somewhere in the skies dot com

2059
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:26,560
all my upcoming projects uh on the trial

2060
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of your host

2061
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:28,960
be sure to check out micah and i are

2062
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:31,440
both a part of that amazing project by

2063
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:34,880
small town monsters um you can watch uh

2064
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:37,440
my cw network television show mysteries

2065
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:38,319
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2066
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:41,600
for free at cwc.com and otherwise yup

2067
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:42,080
just

2068
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:45,440
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2069
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,400
murphy

2070
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,279
um you can find the podcast i do the

2071
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:51,279
kryptonite podcast with mark stores and

2072
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,319
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2073
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,960
at kryptonitepodcast.com but it's

2074
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,560
available on itunes stitcher

2075
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:59,280
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2076
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site which was formerly american

2077
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:03,760
monsters is now cryptopia.us

2078
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,719
and that's where you can see a lot of

2079
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:06,000
articles and if anyone just wants to

2080
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,360
check out my artwork rob morphy.com

2081
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,040
and uh derek hayes don't you have a

2082
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,960
little show called paranormal caught on

2083
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,640
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2084
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,159
we did tonight's edition a little bit

2085
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,480
early

2086
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:19,920
yeah we had to move this up uh they

2087
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moved the show to sunday so apparently

2088
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at uh six o'clock pacific time nine

2089
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2090
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,520
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2091
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:29,440
can also find me uh monstersmonger's

2092
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,640
podcast wherever you can find podcasts

2093
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,800
and of course uh into the frayradio.com

2094
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,480
for into the fray

2095
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,920
thank you guys so much for doing this

2096
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:40,320
with us and uh i'm sure all of us will

2097
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:43,040
be talking again soon at some point so

2098
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,400
everybody out there thanks for joining

2099
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:46,320
us in the chat and uh

2100
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:47,760
we'll we'll see you on the uh the

2101
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:50,400
flippity-flop everybody

2102
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:52,880
good night and good luck guys take care

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goodbye

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